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Friday, January 16, 2009

I Don't Feel Bad For Poor People Who Smoke

 

 I was reading a colum yesterday by Michelle Malkin about Obama's plan to impose a tax hike of over $.60 on cigarettes, to fund the SCHIP program. (For the record, I don't read Jewish World Review. But apparently the editors at the Waterbury Republican do because thats where I found her column.) For the most part I agree with her view points as far as the SCHIP goes. No family with two properties, three cars and a six figure income should be on government subsidized child health care. They can afford thier own health insurance. If that makes me a 'child hater', so be it. I think most American children need a beating anyway.

But what I don't agree with is the idea that we should feel bad about the tax hike because it will effect poor people the most. Just because households making $30K or less contribute the most in cigarette taxes does not make it a tax on poor people. It's a tax the poor people who are stupid enough to smoke. Everyone knows that smoking is the leading cause of lung cancer, emphazema and chronic bronchitis, as well as a contributing factor to heart disease, heart attack, stroke, and high blood pressure. This information has been around for decades and it has been reported on regularly by the media ever since it was made public. Even without the medical research, common sense tells you that inhaling any type of smoke into your lungs isn't good for you. Ten minutes in a high school biology class usually confirm that line of thought. (Google 'cilia' and 'lung').

Not only that, but poor people who smoke wouldn't be as poor as they are now if they didn't spend $5 a day feeding thier habit. For those of you lacking mad math skillz, it's ok, I have them;cost smoking part I

One cigarette has also been shown to lower a persons life expectancy by eleven minutes (SOURCE). So if we factor that into the equation we get this.

cost smoking part II

Thats a total of amost $3K per year in actual and projected costs. For many people living at the poverty line, thats can make the difference between struggling every day, and being financially stable. So why should I feel sorry for people who are the direct cause of thier own poverty?

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WOW. Your title got me here, your stats kept me. great read.
Posted 1/16/2009 12:32 PM by antisoccermom Xanga True Member - reply

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Great post! I wish my hubby would quit, maybe now he will. They are too dang expensive!
Posted 1/16/2009 12:38 PM by BrunetteAngel1985 - reply

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Speaking as a barely former poor person, I can't help but agree on your sentiments on this -- which is  probably odd, considering I'm not much of a fan of Malkin's, heh.
 Smoking's an expensive "escape". Any and all addictions are understandable when your luck's hard, but that doesn't erase that...when your luck's hard, adding to it on purpose is stupid.

Posted 1/16/2009 12:38 PM by MyFreedomWings Xanga True Member - reply

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PERFECT. I too agree. I don't feel bad for them either.
Posted 1/16/2009 12:39 PM by CiaoBella810 Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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I agree with you completely. You want to kill yourself and make yourself sick, then you should pay more for health care. I don't care if you are poor or a millionaire. Besides which, you can make your own cigarettes for PENNIES. I know a lot of people that do it. So grow yourself a brain, that is, if you really want to shorten your life eleven minutes at a time, and quit complaining!

And by you, of course I don't mean you at all. I mean...them. lol.
Posted 1/16/2009 12:46 PM by CanadianConspiracy Xanga True Member - reply

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I concur.
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I guess I see it from both sides. Poor people people will buy cigarettes (and beer) instead of food and clothes for their kids and the more the price is raised, the less those kids get.

Posted 1/16/2009 1:07 PM by k_emetib - reply

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Is it the fact that it's not healthy that bothers you? Because say they weren't taxing cigarettes but something else that costs 7-8 bucks. A meal maybe. If they taxed a meal by more then 60 cents wouldn't that be a problem? And for a lot of smokers, having a cigarette is just as important as having a meal. They need it.

Regardless though, cigarettes are gross.
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@LyricallyCharged - More that it's unneccesary than unhealthy, although the health factor definately plays a part. I also don't think smokers should be allowed government subsidized health care, but thats a differant rant. A meal on the other hand is necessary. You need at least one a day to survive, three to be healthy. A 60 cent tax on food staples, like corn and wheat would cause a national and global famine, so yeah, I'd be very upset. In fact thats why ethanol subsidies have been bashed so much in recent weeks, because we nearly caused such a disaster by processing corn into fuel instead of food.

I also admit that I have a total bias against people with substance abuse issues, including tobacco use. None of them get any sympathy from me. But thats what happens when you're born into a family of nothing but alcoholics, chain smokers and drug users.

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It was a great post. I wish they would feature it.
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great post. thanks for submitting it to be featured!
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Have to agree.

I have a friend that is exactly the perfect example of this. her husband and her both smoke a carton a week, two cartons a week is about 60 dollars for them. She receives medical insurance from the state and food stamps.... go figure. But she also legally separated from her husband so that she could receive those benefits. i cringe when i think of it, and it really pisses me off that she is cheating the system.

Some will say its an addiction that they can not help... BUT there are to many avenues out there for help, that are completely free... not to mention, that state aided health care insurance WILL pay for medication to help with the addiction, since they are already getting it anyway.
Posted 1/16/2009 6:44 PM by OhItzJustMe - reply

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I think this kind of argument is like saying that putting a heavier tax on fast food is okay, since it's unhealthy. New York's governor is wanting to do just that, because he wants to "detour" people from being obese and unhealthy. I hardly think this tactic is for the purpose of making people quit. If anything, they know that people will be stupid enough to continue buying the product, because they want it badly enough.

 What bothers me is that we have billions and billions of tax dollars going to big corporations to "save the economy" and so everything and everyone is taxed.. Take for instance gas. You could argue that oil is unhealthy for the environment and that people should be driving less, but does that make it any more right to impose such high prices on the American people, be it whatever category they choose to put most of their money towards? It's not a matter of smoke being unhealthy and people being stupid for choosing to smoke it. It's a matter of the government being allowed to target certain products and hike up taxes at anytime. Guess what!? We can't really say anything, because we're electing the same money and power hungry individuals into office. How is it fair that a person serving in office for four years automatically gets full retirement and salaries similar to that of a surgeon's. A person serving in the Military gets less than 20 thousand per year and must dedicate 20 years before they receive full retirement. The president makes even higher amounts...four hundred thousand per year. How about that $30,000 ring Obama bought for his wife? Or the fact that he hired Cindy Crawford's decorator recently? He went vacationing in Hawaii or some tropical place? Seems like they get paid an awful lot to just sit around, raise taxes, and make decisions.

It might seem like I've gotten off track, but I think it all correlates with the same issue. We are being taxed to death. Don't assume that he will just be raising higher taxes on smoking alone. But your post definitely reminds me to be happy that my husband quit last year.

Posted 1/16/2009 6:51 PM by Celtic_haven - reply

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I don't feel bad for people who smoke.

I don't think taxing the cigarettes is a tax on poor people, even if it is their demographic who happens to be the main purchasers of cigarettes.

What I don't support is the taxing of it, in general. Much like how I think taxing soda in NY is one of the more ridiculous things I've heard of, cigarette companies know that people will pay the money for cigarettes... Cigarette companies should be in charge of raising the price if that's what they choose - call it for health reasons if you want... call it for the need to be a capitalist. Whatever, I don't care.

However, the government shouldn't be able to tax any... commodity (I think enough people smoke where you might be able to call it that)... they choose to. They have enough of a grip on our wallets and lifestyles, they don't need to infringe with any more of their willy nilly taxes.
Posted 1/16/2009 6:51 PM by magentamle - reply

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They don't have money for health insurance? Oh that's right, then they couldn't afford their smokes.

Posted 1/16/2009 6:53 PM by Magniloquentia - reply

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In a perfect world, smokers would not be able to get government help with healthcare.  It's idiotic that other people should have to pay for the health care for people who are hurting themselves.  What happens when they get lung cancer?  Are my taxes paying for their hospital bills?  I'm not the one who smoked a pack a day.  Sigh.
Posted 1/16/2009 6:53 PM by hexogen - reply

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I agree 100%. Excellent post.
Posted 1/16/2009 6:57 PM by StephySays - reply

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Wow, something that Obama is doing that I actually agree with! I don't feel bad for them either. If the tax hike is that much of a finanical burden to someone who smokes, then they need to quit. Suck it up, push past the addiction and quit.
Posted 1/16/2009 7:03 PM by online now seriously_meredith Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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I think we should add tax heights on Alcohol as well.. for all the people who drink and hurt others.

Or better yet all the people buy razors and cut themselves. Maybe it'll make them stop!

I don't even smoke, but my parents do and I cannot help but find this offensive. Nobody actually wants to die of lung cancer, just in the way nobody wants to get aids because they slept with somebody who had it. Life happens.

If the government is going to do something, they should BAN it instead of putting more money in the pockets of people who sell it and could care less

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you spelled column wrong. &&&&& smoking's bad anyway. & people shouldn't start in the first place.. it's just bad news late on.
Posted 1/16/2009 7:03 PM by RaccoonEyed - reply

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Perhaps we should follow EVERYONE around and charge them for EVERY choice they make that results in the SLIGHTEST health detriment, so that WE don't have to pay for THEIR indiscretions!

The way to fix public health or institute a better public health system is not by taxing more, it's by making healthcare cost less. you do this by cutting out this $200,000-$400,000 wage bullshit that doctors make, by cutting the extremely high costs of education for doctors with government stipends, and by preventing drug companies and insurance companies and hospitals from ganging together to charge patients full price for drugs that are provided at a discount to insurance companies and hospitals so that the overhead is claimed by people who are already rich.

of course, we could always blame smokers. after all, it's something we see every day, so it's easier.
Posted 1/16/2009 7:06 PM by creamcheesegod - reply

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@Celtic_haven - Those of us who are going to retire after 20 years in the military may get to keep our retirement money (for now), but Obama is planning on cutting the health care and making it the same as every American will get. To save money. That's his way of thanking us for serving.

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I have a bit of a different perspective. I started smoking when I was in college. I was a full time student (12 hours a week engineering courses) and working 25-35 hours a week in retail to make ends meet (I was financially independent at this point, and had only unsubsidized loans, which I already had to pay interest on). I didn't smoke much (probably 2-4 cigarettes a day), so my costs were low on that end. However the reason I smoked was because smokers get to take more breaks, and trust me, when you work almost full time and go to school full time, you need those breaks.

The lower class tends to often be stuck working multiple jobs, and those breaks can be life savers. Unfortunately, smoking is pretty much required to get those breaks. Taking a break without a cigarette in hand is a sign of slacking.
Posted 1/16/2009 7:07 PM by online now Dargon - reply

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I agree. Wth all that there is telling us that somking is bad, we shouldn't ever smoke. And I feel for those already addicted. My grandfather started smoking back in the 30s, before all the health reports. But there are so many "quit smoking" programs and what-not now. If you can pay $5 a day for ciggarettes, then you can quit and pay for your child's healthcare.
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AMEN.

I work at a retail store, and what I hate is when I see people come up and buy food with their Food Stamps card, and then buy cigarettes with their own money. I'm glad to see that our tax dollars are going to benefit such honest citizens.
Posted 1/16/2009 7:15 PM by Filipendulous - reply

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